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<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1841107/open_sms">Send us a text</a></p><p>This is a quick talk we call On the Mats, where we talk live after training and have a shortened discussion about jiu jitsu. This installment is with North Coast brown belt Carlos Perez. We hope you enjoy the conversation.</p>